Diskussion: Kongåriket Såeominen

    • Diskussion: Kongåriket Såeominen

      Two things first: I like peculiar ideas; they'll always have my personal support. But there certainly is a very, very thin line between peculiarity and absurdity, wherefore any peculiar design calls for extensive scrutiny.
      Second, I always had the vision that the AIC might attract foreign virtual nations, because they really might be an enrichment for the map by offering an opportunity for "real" international politics - due to the many existing differences between German and Non-German virtual nations.
      Now, what has all this to do with Såeominen? The answer is quite simple. The AIC shall provide a common map which resembles an arragment of many different states, but follows the principles of mainly climatical, but also cultural logics.
      Although Såeominen isn't located in the veto sphere of the United Empire, I'm not sure if the proposed position would fit - put aside the fact that the concerned grid square is locked -; I'd rather put the country on the northern hemisphere, where there are several other countries that may be categorized as "Scandinavian". This would make a common history possible and plausible; it wouldn't need any questionable constructions and, finally, Såeominen would still be peculiar without drifting towards absurdity.
      Son Majesté,

      Henry Louis zu Grimmberg, Direktor für Kartographie

    • Henry Louis zu Grimmberg

      Sir,
      The absurdety of a Scandinavian state in the Southern hemosphere does have its pendant in the real world.
      To the Argentinian's the occupation of the Falklands and the dependencies must be equaly absurd and appoling.
      Yet its a standing fact since 1828.

      Sehr geerter Herr,
      Die absurdität eines Skandinavischen Staates auf der südliche erdhälfte hat sein gegenhänger in den realer Welt.
      Für die Argentinier muss die besetzüng der Falkland inseln und ihre zugehörige gebietsteilen genau so absurt und abstossend sein.
      Jedoch besteht diesser situation schon seit 1828

      With modern technology and int transport beeing located on the edge of the world should be no problem.
      The tech item of a gridsquare beeing locked is something we had no knowledge of
      If we would have to relocate oure land from the Eastern to Western side we could do this relatively withoud problems but from South to North is a entire diffrant pair of shoe's.
      a Operation like that withoud the certanty that we will be acsepted (as member and on the map) I dare not propose to those who work on things like that.

      Mit moderner tech. und internationaler transport ist ein standplatz am rande der welt kein problem mehr .
      Vom technischen item der gritsquare verschliessüng hatten wir kein wissen.
      Wenn wir unser land vom ostlicher erdteil ins westliche verschieben müssen so währe das zimmlich gut zu tun.
      Eine verschiebüng vom süd nach nörtlicher hemosphere ist aber etwas gans anderes.
      Ich werde es nicht wagen die leut die jetzt an alle hand sachen arbeiten vohr zu schlagen so ein operation zu starten auch weil ich denen kein sicherheit geben kan das unser land dan aktzeptiert und voll mitgliet wirt.

    • Je suis désolé, but your argument concerning Argentina and the Falklands is invalid in two respects. First, today's population is not indigeous; the Falklanders are rather descendants from various Europeen countries with some gaucho influence. But according to you, Såeominen's foundation was as early as in 915, which to me suggests that die island has a native Scandinavian (or North Germanic) population.
      Second. Even if the island's inhabitants came from somewhere else, I consider it to be highly improbable that they maintained their culture for more than one thousand years - without any interference or exerted influence from other cultures ore powers.
      Natal, part of my realm, was originally only inhabited by African peoples (Bantu, San and Khoikhoi; it roughly resembles South Africa) - a Scandinavian neighbour just must seen strange, and until you offer me a reasonable explanation, I won't drop my resistence.

      Finally, let me add one last thing: we might continue this discussion in German, if you'd prefer that. I won't translate my posts.
      Son Majesté,

      Henry Louis zu Grimmberg, Direktor für Kartographie

    • Wrong on three counts.
      S. does have a ind. population the Sjäminoles (still about 18% of the pop.)
      Nicht korrekt auf drei punkten.
      S. hatt ein einheimische bevölkerung das sint die Sjäminolen (noch immer 18% der bev.)

      S. has been isolated for a long time from the rest of the world wich kept it almost free of outside infuences thus "preserving" its culture.
      S. war isoliert für ein sehr langer zeit von der restlicher welt und das hat es in grossen ganse frei gehalten von einflüssen von draussen
      Auf diesser art würde unsere kultur "erhalten"

      There is a French influence in S. many things look ore are done as in the France of roughly 1780-1820.
      ex..Oure heir to the throne is called Dauphin we have a player named Dauphine Lissä she IS the Dauphine.
      So we DO have some influence from abroad but we havn't been overroled by it .
      Es gibt ein sehr deutlicher fransösischer einfluss in S.
      Die vom Frankreich wärent der periode 1780-1820.
      z.b Unser Thronnachfolger wirt "Dauphin" genannt, seine frau der Dauphine ist ein gespielter char bei uns n.l Dauphine Lissä.
      Also haben wir bestimmte ausland einflüssen nur sint wir im kern nicht dadürch überrolt werden.

      South Africa itselve is a contradiction in itselve ,ore was...(Appartheid)
      Since the power transfer to the ANC the R.S.A is gradualy turning into a African state.
      For African Nations having the old R.S.A as neighboure
      was equaly strange to youre Natalians having us as distand..neighbours.
      I translated my text out of cur. and respect for Herr Liellentahl.
      Süd Afrika ist eine kontroverse in sich oder war es jedenfalls wärent der appartheids zeit
      Erst zeit der machtwechsel zum ANC bewegt sich süd Afrika langsam zu auf den rest Afrika's.
      Für die Afrikanischer staten war das alte R.S.A genau so ein "kulturäl" fremder nachbahr wie S. es hier ist für euer Natal.
      Ich habe mein text übersetzt aus freundlichkeit und respekt zu herr Liellentahl.

      Well, I feel more confi with English it gives me more room to argue and set up theses ore expressions.

    • Original von Scribonius Titus
      Wrong on three counts.
      S. does have a ind. population the Sjäminoles (still about 18% of the pop.)


      So where does this people come from? Wouldn't it be a little bit weird if there existed two very similar or even identical peoples of the map - but separated by 20'000 km and five climes? Wouldn't it be even more weird if those two peoples emerged in the same time? Separately?

      Original von Scribonius Titus
      S. has been isolated for a long time from the rest of the world wich kept it almost free of outside infuences thus "preserving" its culture.


      Still makes no sense. As argued above, the "indigeous" people can't be indigeous without violating all principles of logic and, moreover, of the AIC. They must have come from the north, were there already are such peoples - or at least I presume that that's the case, thinking of Vearmark.

      Original von Scribonius Titus
      There is a French influence in S. many things look ore are done as in the France of roughly 1780-1820.
      ex..Oure heir to the throne is called Dauphin we have a player named Dauphine Lissä she IS the Dauphine.
      So we DO have some influence from abroad but we havn't been overroled by it .


      Quite interesting. A French influence - where does that come from? Honestly - I can't get rid of the feeling that you don't really understand the concept of our map, i.e. what this map is all about. If you'd prefer a funny puzzle of different cultures where there's no obligation to explain anything, I may politely recommend the OIK.

      Original von Scribonius Titus
      South Africa itselve is a contradiction in itselve ,ore was...(Appartheid)
      Since the power transfer to the ANC the R.S.A is gradualy turning into a African state.
      For African Nations having the old R.S.A as neighboure
      was equaly strange to youre Natalians having us as distand..neighbours.


      Excuse me, but this is ridiculous. South Africa certainly did not become "more African" because apartheid ended. Although back then the government consisted solely of Boers and Anglo-Saxons, the Whites where still in the minority, just as they are right now.
      Natal has a significantly higher percentage of Whites (~35%); they're of course not indigeous but rather came as settlers, supplanting the natives in part.
      Son Majesté,

      Henry Louis zu Grimmberg, Direktor für Kartographie

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